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Your favourite ESC Countries
« on: February 14, 2010, 12:55:46 AM »
I've just redone all my rankings for 1980-2009 inclusive and thought I'd find out who my favourite ESC countries were for that period and I was  :o :o :o amazed at who came out on top.  My top 5 countries from 1980-2009 are

1. CYPRUS - thanks mainly to the 90s
2. GERMANY - thanks mostly to the 80s
3. DENMARK - thanks entirely to the 80s
4. ICELAND - thanks mainly to the 00s
5. IRELAND - thanks mainly to the 90s

I'll do complete rankings soon - but I know for a fact that when I add the 50s 60s and 70s on that Germany will end up on top.

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2010, 07:06:48 PM »
cyprus is my worst esc country and i hate iceland and germany too, most of the times :no: :shrug:

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2010, 12:27:57 AM »
Usually I like Scandinavian songs
Norway,Sweden and Denmark
and from else Europe parts usually
Ukraine and Greece

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2010, 10:25:51 PM »
my faves are France, Bosnia, Finland and Switzerland mostly. Bosnia for recent years, France for the old years. Finland and Switzerland a bit throughout (Finland is like 31 out of 41 times in my top 10 and Switzerland has also a very high number there)

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2010, 07:48:34 PM »
I've completed my rankings from 1956 to 2009 and the top 20 countries of all time are as follows

1. GERMANY
2. FRANCE
3. SWITZERLAND
4. UNITED KINGDOM
5. FINLAND
6. NORWAY
7. DENMARK
8. AUSTRIA
9. IRELAND
10. LUXEMBOURG
11. Netherlands
12. Cyprus
13. Belgium
14. Yugoslavia
15. Portugal
16. Spain
17. Sweden
18. Israel
19. Greece
20. Iceland

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2010, 09:09:06 PM »
i think id have austria and luxembourg higher
depends a lot on how you rank the countries
by giving average pts based on each songs? by counting 12 for a win, 10 for second etc til 0 for out of top 10 and then averaging it on the number of entries? in which case we prety much all have morroco first?

anyway im still hoping to do a top 10 for each decade ! maybe i can do a list for countries PER decade

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2010, 09:11:55 PM »
i think id have austria and luxembourg higher
depends a lot on how you rank the countries
by giving average pts based on each songs? by counting 12 for a win, 10 for second etc til 0 for out of top 10 and then averaging it on the number of entries? in which case we prety much all have morroco first?

anyway im still hoping to do a top 10 for each decade ! maybe i can do a list for countries PER decade

I was surprised how low Luxembourg was to be honest.  I wasn't surprised at all with the top 3....surprised I had my own country as high as 4th.  Finland being 5th was no surprise at all.

It was done on an average score...but with a minimum number of 10 entries required hence Morocco not being on the list :wink:

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2010, 09:14:47 PM »

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2010, 09:15:50 PM »
poor slovakia too :P

Indeed - 3 fabulous songs (including one of my all time top 10 songs) and 1 ok song (96)...but only 4 entries

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2010, 03:29:30 AM »
i agree 3 great songs and 1 ok one (2009) :goodjob:

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2010, 04:47:37 AM »
WOW i finally did the first decade 56-69 (i'll do 70-79, 80-89, 90-99 and 00-09)
So how do I do it? I give 12 for a winner, 10 for a runner-up, 8 third, etc for the top 10 and 0 for all songs outside the top ten. First, I get a total. Then I divide by the number of entries, and I get the average, then you only have to rank the countries..

So I get
1. France : 7,73 (116pts, 15 entries)
2. Switzerland : 5,73 (86pts, 15 entries)
3. Sweden : 5,45 (60pts, 11 entries)
4. Luxembourg : 4,86 (68pts, 14 entries)
5. Netherlands : 4,53 (68pts, 15 entries)
6. Monaco : 4,18 (46pts, 11 entries)
7. Portugal : 4,17 (25pts, 6 entries)
8. Spain : 4 (36pts, 9 entries)
9. Finland : 3,56 (32 pts, 9 entries)
10. Italy : 3,53 (53 pts, 15 entries)
11. Yugoslavia : 3,22 (29pts, 9 entries)
12. Denmark : 3,20 (32pts, 10 entries)
13. Ireland : 3 (15pts, 5 entries)
14. United-Kingdom : 2,75 (33pts, 12 entries)
15. Norway : 2,60 (26pts, 10 entries)
16. Germany : 2,20 (33pts, 15 entries)
17. Belgium : 2,13 (32pts, 15 entries)
18. Austria : 1,83 (22pts, 12 entries)

However, if I were to give my top 10 for 1956-1969 it would be as follow
1 La source, Isabelle Aubret, France 1968
2 Dansevise, Grethe & Jørgen Ingmann, Denmark 1963
3 Som en drom, Östen Warnerbring, Sweden 1967
4 Poupée de cire, poupée de son, France Gall   , Luxembourg 1965
5 Un jour, un enfant, Frida Boccara, France 1969
6 Aurinko laskee länteen, Viktor Klimenko, Finland 1965
7 Al di la, Betty Curtis, Italy 1961
8 T'en vas pas, Esther Ofarim, Switzerland 1963
9 Un premier amour, Isabelle Aubret, France 1962
10 Irgendwoher, Christa Williams, Switzerland 1959

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 05:21:23 AM »
i just did the 70s but ill wait tomorrow til people are online and react already on the (shocking, lol) 60s list !

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2010, 09:42:34 AM »
Very interesting to see your favorite ESC countries, Ian & Morgan.  :goodjob:

I think that it's difficult for me to make a list of every decade, because I'm not familiar with all the ESC songs. But I think that my favorite ESC countries are: Portugal, Israel, Yugoslavia & Turkey.

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2010, 11:19:44 PM »
Last night I worked out the percentage of top 10 finishes for each country with more than 10 entries...and my top 5 were

1. ROMANIA
2. CYPRUS
3. GERMANY
4. FINLAND
5. FRANCE

So it seems whichever way I do it Germany, Finland and France do very well indeed.

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2010, 01:28:35 AM »
Hi guys ! I stayed online all night last night and did every decades ! But I will publish only decade by decade, one per day !

Now on for the 70's !
1. Israel : 6,86 (48pts, 7 entries)
2. Austria : 6,67 (40pts, 6 entries)
3. France : 6,44 (58pts, 9 entries)
4. Turkey : 6 (12pts, 2 entries)
5. Monaco : 4,6 (46pts, 10 entries)
6. Greece : 4,6 (23pts, 5 entries)
7. Yugoslavia : 4,43 (31pts, 7 entries)
8. Italy : 3,7 (37pts, 10 entries)
9. Finland : 3,67 (33pts, 9 entries)
10. United-Kingdom : 3;6 (36pts, 10 entries)
11. Denmark : 3 (6pts, 2 entries)
12. Spain : 2,9 (29pts, 10 entries)
13. Luxembourg : 2,8 (28pts, 10 entries)
14. Portugal : 2,56 (23pts, 9 entries)
15. Germany : 2,5 (25pts, 10 entries)
16. Switzerland : 2,1 (21pts, 10 entries)
17. Belgium : 2 (20pts, 10 entries)
18. Ireland : 1,9 (19pts, 10 entries)
19. Norway : 1,89 (17pts, 9 entries)
20. Sweden : 1,63 (13pts, 8 entries)
21. Netherlands : 1,5 (15pts, 10 entries)
22. Malta : 0 (0pt, 3 entries)

and this is my top 10 of the decade :
1 Falter im Wind, Milestones, Austria 1972
2 Seninle bir dakika, Semiha Yankı, Turkey 1975
3 Et bonjour à toi l'artiste, Nicole Rieu, France 1975
4 C'est la chanson de mon amour, Véronique Müller, Switzerland 1972
5 Gori vatra, Zdravko Čolić, Yugoslavia 1973
6 The bad old days, CoCo, United-Kingdom 1978
7 L'oiseau et l'enfant, Marie-Myriam, France 1977
8 Panaya mu, Panaya mu, Mariza Koch, Greece 1976
9 Älä mene pois, Carita Holmström, Finland 1974
10 Tu te reconnaîtras, Anne-Marie David, Luxembourg 1973

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2010, 07:49:58 PM »
and after two days, i give you my 80s list.. less pts per country, the 80s were more spread around, and overall less impressive than the first two decades in esc history imo.. I will put Morocco here (only 10 entries max per country anyway) but at the bottom and like Ian i will put only countries that have at least 10 entries in my overall list, but i will also say how many pts these countries have "so far"

Now on for the 80's !
1. Finland : 4,9 (49pts, 10 entries)
2. Switzerland : 4,8 (48pts, 10 entries)
3. Ireland : 4,44 (40pts, 9 entries)
4. Luxembourg : 4,4 (44pts, 10 entries)
5. Sweden : 3,9 (39pts, 10 entries)
6. France : 3,89 (35pts, 9 entries)
7. Italy : 3,86 (27pts, 7 entries)
8. Turkey : 3,5 (35pts, 10 entries)
9. United-Kingdom : 3,2 (32pts, 10 entries, 6 songs got pts)
10. Belgium : 3,2 (32pts, 10 entries, 4 songs got pts)
11. Greece : 3,14 (22pts, 7 entries)
12. Netherlands : 2,78 (25pts, 9 entries)
13. Austria : 2,5 (25pts, 10 entries, 4 songs got pts)
14. Germany : 2,5 (25pts, 10 entries, 3 songs got pts)
15. Yugoslavia : 2,5 (20pts, 8 entries)
16. Spain : 2,4 (24pts, 10 entries)
17. Denmark : 2,1 (21pts, 10 entries)
18. Iceland : 1,75 (7pts, 4 entries)
19. Portugal : 1,4 (14pts, 10 entries)
20. Cyprus : 0,63 (5pts, 8 entries)
21. Norway : 0,6 (6pts, 10 entries)
22. Israel : 0 (0pt, 8 entries)
Morocco : 5 (5pts, 1 entry)

Isrrael goes from first to last, austria from second to thirteenth. Greece and Yugoslavia also leave the top 10 along Monaco who doesn't participate anymore.

The last two of the 70s do much better, Netherlands going 12th and Sweden entering the top 5. Switzerland, Ireland, Luxembourg and Belgium are also all new/back to the top 10, remarkably Switzerland back to its runner place of the 60s.

France gets out of top 5 for the first time. Turkey goes from 4th to 8th, Italy from 7th to 8th but the United-Kingdom from 10th to 9th. Finland jumps from 9th achieved twice in the 60s and 70s to the leading country of the 80s !

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2010, 07:56:14 PM »
Finland your first! :cheer:

But Finland was really good in 1980's  :)

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2010, 11:32:54 PM »
the 90's start a new era.. Yugoslavia will be down to three entries and then will leave, Luxembourg will be gone as well after 4 entries and Italy after 5.. But many new comers will make big entrances to the eurovision world, before it gets insane in the 00s.. The pts go all over the place but into series. The good countries are really good and the bad ones really bad.

Now on for the 90's !
1. Bosnia & Herzegovina : 8 (48pts, 6 entries)
2. France : 7,7 (77pts, 10 entries)
3. Finland : 5 (35pts, 7 entries)
4. Slovakia : 5 (15pts, 3 entries)
5. Italy : 4,8 (24pts, 5 entries)
6. Ireland : 4,1 (41,pts, 10 entries)
7. United-Kingdom : 3,9 (39pts, 10 entries)
8. Greece : 3,78 (34pts, 9 entries)
9. Belgium : 3,5 (28pts, 8 entries)
10. Lithuania : 3,5 (7pts, 2 entries)
11. Switzerland : 3,38 (27pts, 8 entries)
12. Norway : 3 (30pts, 10 entries)
13. Romania : 3 (6pts, 2 entries)
14. Malta : 2,89 (26pts, 9 entries)
15. Luxembourg : 2,75 (11pts, 4 entries)
16. Poland : 2,17 (13pts, 6 entries)
17. Yugoslavia : 2 (6pts, 3 entries)
17. Russia : 2 (6pts, 3 entries)
19. Hungary : 1,75 (7pts, 4 entries)
20. Israel : 1,71 (12pts, 7 entries)
21. Sweden : 1,7 (17pts, 10 entries)
22. Estonia : 1,6 (8pts, 5 entries)
23. Slovenia : 1,5 (9pts, 6 entries)
24. Denmark : 1,43 (10pts, 7 entries)
25. Turkey : 1 (9pts, 9 entries)
26. Netherlands : 0,88 (7pts, 8 entries)
27. Iceland : 0,78 (7pts, 9 entries)
28. Austria : 0,67 (6pts, 9 entries)
29. Portugal : 0,6 (6pts, 10 entries)
30. Croatia : 0,57 (4pts, 7 entries)
31. Spain : 0,4 (4pts, 10 entries)
32. Cyprus : 0,1 (1pt, 10 entries)
33. Macedonia : 0 (0pt, 1 entry)
34. Germany : 0 (0pt, 10 entries)

Very significant that Russia and Yugoslavia tie : a country that disappears and a country that is born from the end of the Cold War. Likewise there are old countries and new countries spread throughout. Like the 0pt shared by Macedonia and Germany or the very high pts from Bosnia and France.

So the newcomers in the top 10 are Bosnia & Herzegovina, Slovakia and Lithuania. Greece only 11th in the 80s is back in the 90s. The four countries that leave the top 10 are Switzerland now taking the 11th place, Luxembourg with its last and bad entries, Turkey lacking its former sparks and Sweden continues to do once a good decade, then a bad decade, from 5th all the way down to the 21st place.

As for the consistant countries, Finland stays in the top 3, France gets back to the top 5, Italy and Ireland both did very good, but I will put Ireland in the top 5 board because it has twice as much entries than Italy and three songs in my top 10 of the deace. United-Kingdom continues to rise and is now 7th while Belgium moves up one spot now at 9th.

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2010, 12:17:26 AM »
now a million countries taking part, it goes all over the place, 1 entry for this country, 2 entries for that one  :doh: man i had the hardest time counting it all to make sure i did count it all too
i decided to rank only the countries with at least 4 entries this time (therefore almost half of the decade), and rank the other ones separately.. else georgia, with one victory and one 8th place would be first of course

Now on for the 00's !
1. Bosnia & Herzegovina : 6,56 (59pts, 9 entries)
2. France : 5,8 (58pts, 10 entries)
3. Serbia : 5 (20pts, 4 entries)
4. Turkey : 3,8 (38pts, 10 entries)
5. Romania : 3,44 (31pts, 9 entries)
6. Russia : 3 (30pts, 10 entries and 5 songs got pts)
7. Latvia : 3 (30pts, 10 entries and 4 songs got pts)
8. Montenegro : 3 (12pts, 4 entries)
9. Poland : 2,75 (22pts, 8 entries)
10. Croatia : 2,5 (25pts, 10 entries)
11. Lithuania : 2,5 (20pts, 8 entries)
12. Ukraine : 2,15 (15pts, 7 entries)
13. Finland : 2,13 (17pts, 8 entries)
14. Sweden : 1,9 (19pts, 10 entries)
15. Iceland : 1,89 (17 pts, 9 entries)
16. Portugal : 1,75 (14 pts, 8 entries)
17. Estonia : 1,7 (17pts, 10 entries)
18. Macedonia : 1,5 (12pts, 8 entries)
19. Belgium : 1,33 (12pts, 9 entries)
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Norway : 1,22 (11pts, 9 entries)
Switzerland : 1,22 (11pts, 9 entries)
Slovenia : 1,22 (11pts, 9 entries)
surprisingly they have exactly the same things all three of them, one song 4th, one song 7th and 7 songs out of my top 10
23. Ireland : 1 (9pts, 9 entries)
24. Andorra : 1 (6pts, 6 entries)
25. Israel : 1 (10pts, 10 entries)
26. Bulgaria : 0,8 (4pts, 5 entries)
27.
United-Kingdom : 0,6 (6pts, 10 entries)
Malta : 0,6 (6pts, 10 entries)
29. Greece : 0,56 (5pts, 8 entries)
30. Cyprus : 0,33 (3pts, 9 entries)
31. Spain : 0,3 (3pts, 10 entries, 2 songs got pts)
32. Germany : 0,3 (3pts, 10 entries, 1 song got pts)
33. Armenia : 0,25 (1pt , 4 entries)
34. Moldova : 0,2 (1pt , 5 entries)
35.
Albania : 0,17 (1pt , 6 entries)
Austria : 0,17 (1pt , 6 entries)
37. Denmark : 0,11 (1pt, 9 entries)
38. Hungary : 0 (0pt , 4 entries)
39. Belarus : 0 (0pt , 6 entries)
40. Netherlands : 0 (0pt , 8 entries)

Georgia : 7,5 (15pts, 2 entries)
Monaco : 1 (3pts, 3 entries)
San Marino : 1 (1pt, 1 entry)
Slovakia : 0 (0pt , 1 entry)
Azerbaijan : 0 (0pt, 2 entries)
Czech Republic : 0 (0pt, 3 entries)

A lot of things have to be said here. First of all, pts are much more spread throughout, even my 4th is below the 4pts average this time. So the countries who did the best are almost all the countries who at least got a victory from me this decade (Bosnia 06, France 02 and 09, Serbia 08, Turkey 04, Latvia 00, Russia 01 or Montenegro 05 and of course Georgia 07 but the country is not ranked because it has only 2 entries). The only exceptions are Belgium, lucky 20th with 12pts all from its victory in 03 and Romania, 5th with 4 songs in my top 10 but 'only' twice runner up (00 and 05). Another important element is the big importance of "newcomers".. Apart from Georgia, we can notice that in the top 10 only 2 countries started esc before the 90s (France and Turkey), a number that becomes 7 out of the top 19.. If we look at these countries no surprises there, France always in good shape, Turkey steadily good though it goes from pure excellent to pure crap (for instance 2004, 2008 are excellent, 2007 and 2009 are imo huge crap) and then three nordic countries, starting with Finland of course, an then Sweden or Iceland, no big surprises there, along with Belgium. So the newcomers have, most of the times, done well, though it is important to note that in bottom 3 only one country is an oldie (Netherlands) while Hungary and Belarus are also newcomers.

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2010, 12:19:52 AM »
Reminder

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2010, 12:20:24 AM »
tomorrow i'll post the final ranking, as Ian, with only countries who have at least 10 entries !

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2010, 06:21:21 AM »
Well here is my final rankings for countries.. I looked closely at the table and for all countries who participated non stop since 2004 i decided to count all countries with at least 6 entries so far and not 10 that cuts down to all the small countries but leaves in enough for the ranking ! One exception, i put Yugoslavia out of the ranking as this country does not exist..

a total of 50 countries took part in esc !
1. Bosnia & Herzegovina : 7,13 (107pts, 15 entries)
2. France : 6,49 (344pts, 53 entries)
3. Luxembourg : 3,97 (151pts, 38 entries)
4. Monaco : 3,96 (95pts, 24 entries)
5. Finland : 3,95 (166pts, 42 entries)
6. Italy : 3,81 (141pts, 37 entries)
7. Switzerland : 3,76 (193pts, 52pts)
8. Romania : 3,36 (37pts, 11 entries)
9. Turkey : 3,09 (99pts, 32 entries)
10. Sweden : 3 (147pts, 49 entries)


11. Latvia : 3 (30pts, 10 entries)
12. Ireland : 2,88 (124pts, 43 entries)
13. United-Kingdom : 2,81 (146pts, 52 entries)
14. Russia : 2,77 (36pts, 13 entries)
15. Greece : 2,76 (80pts, 29 entries)
16. Lithuania : 2,7 (27pts, 10 entries)
17. Poland : 2,5 (35pts, 14 entries)
18. Belgium : 2,38 (124pts, 52 entries)
19. Netherlands : 2,24 (114pts, 51 entries)
20. Israel : 2,19 (70pts, 32 entries)

21. Austria : 2,19 (94pts, 40 entries)
22. Ukraine : 2,14 (15pts, 7 entries)
23. Spain : 1,96 (96pts, 49 entries)
24. Portugal : 1,91 (82pts, 43 entries)
25. Norway : 1,88 (90pts, 48 entries)
26. Denmark : 1,84 (70pts, 38 entries)
27. Croatia : 1,71 (29pts, 17 entries)
28. Estonia : 1,67 (25pts, 15 entries)
29. Germany : 1,59 (86pts, 54 entries)
30. Malta : 1,45 (32pts, 22 entries)

31. Iceland : 1,41 (31pts, 22 entries)
32. Slovenia : 1,33 (20pts, 15 entries)
33. Macedonia : 1,33 (12pts, 9 entries)
34. Andorra : 1 (6pts, 6 entries)
35. Hungary : 0,88 (7pts, 8 entries)
36. Cyprus : 0,33 (9pts, 27 entries)
37. Albania : 0,17 (1pt , 6 entries)
38. Belarus : 0 (0pt, 6 entries)

(9. Yugoslavia : 3,22 (87pts, 27 entries))

Georgia : 7,5 (15pts, 2 entries)
Serbia :  5 (20pts, 4 entries)
Morocco : 5 (5pts, 1 entry)
Slovakia : 3,75 (15pts, 4 entries)
Montenegro : 3 (12pts, 4 entries)
San Marino : 1 (1pt , 1 entry)
Bulgaria : 0,8 (4pts, 5 entries)
Armenia : 0,25 (1pt, 4 entries)
Moldova : 0,2 (1pt, 5 entries)
Azerbaijan : 0 (0pt, 2 entries)
Czech Republic : 0 (0pt, 3 entries)

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Offline Martial

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2010, 06:23:32 AM »
not many surprises, just wanted to point out that with only one song a lot of differences can be made in the list, and in a few years there will be no countries with less than 6 entries

my least favorite countries are cyprus, iceland, malta and germany (a lot of islands lol)
whereas many countries that stopped participating are lucky because it is harder to get pts nowadays thus explaining luxembourg, monaco and italy all in the top 10..

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Re: Your favourite ESC Countries
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2011, 06:06:31 PM »
Scandinavian countries, Slovenia, Serbia, Turkey had great entries!!!

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