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Offline Remy

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« on: May 14, 2011, 06:51:19 PM »
Greece received € 110 billion emergency loans from the eurozone countries and the International Monetary Fund last year.

Is appropriate for Greece to keep on participating in the Eurovision Song Contest after receiving so much money from other European countries?

The Netherlans, eliminated in the semi-final for the 7th time in a row on Thursday, gave € 5 billion to Greece in 2010.
The participation of Greece in the contest this year is partly funded by the Dutch taxpayers.

What if Greece wins tonight? Can a country with such financial problems host the contest next year?

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Re: Greece
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2011, 12:31:50 AM »
I understand how frustrating it might be to see a country with such problems qualifying when the rest of Europe (and your country in particular) is paying for their qualification ... sort of. Truth is that Greece is not the only country facing financial crisis nowadays. However music and sports always manage to bring people together. Events like this one managed to survive for so many decades, despite any political or economic crisis.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2011, 12:21:56 PM »
Eurovision definitely manage to bring people together, there is no doubt about that.
And it's true that Greece is not the only country facing financial problems, but it's also true that Greece has financial problems because of political corruption scandals.
There are big mistakes made in Greece. Other European countries had to help Greece because Greece is one of the Eurozone countries.

I think that it's not respectful of Greece towards the other Eurozone countries to keep on participating in such an expensive contest, instead of cutting down costs and trying to pay back the loans.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2011, 04:32:26 PM »
I completely agree with Remy. At the moment Greece and Portugal, maybe Ireland too, are in such a bad economical situation, that they should not spend money in things / happenings, which are not necessary and Eurovision Song Contest is one of the happenings which they should skip until their economical situation is better again.  :)

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Re: Greece
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2011, 07:44:45 PM »
You can easily add Romania to that list then ... and Moldova, and a couple of other small countries. I'm against punishing millions of people because of a bunch of corrupt politicians though. They may be powerful now, but there's nothing eternal about them ... music is.  :shrug:

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Re: Greece
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2011, 08:02:39 PM »
You can easily add Romania to that list then ... and Moldova, and a couple of other small countries. I'm against punishing millions of people because of a bunch of corrupt politicians though. They may be powerful now, but there's nothing eternal about them ... music is.  :shrug:

No, Romania, Moldova or any other smaller countries does not belong to the list, because they have not asked from other EU countries to help their situation. I am not against seeing any EBU countries in ESC, just that it feels so bad to see those couple of countries spending so much money in ESC as long as their economical situation is close to bankruptcy.  :shrug: I know very many people here in Finland who watched ESC asking if our money was used for ESC song in stead of helping with it the citizens of those countries.  :-[

If I was the president or minister of finance in Finland and we had the same situation in Finland what Greece and Portugal now have, I would do all I can to make Finland skip one or  two years in ESC, just to help our situation to become  a little bit better one. Being one or two years outside of ESC is not the end of the world.  :)

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Re: Greece
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2011, 06:18:38 PM »
Just adding to my previous post: If ESC was not  that expensive and commercial, and the participation fee was only very figurative or formal, I would have nothing against anything.  :)

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Re: Greece
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2011, 07:06:43 PM »
First of all, Relyana, I'm not talking about Romania or Moldova or other countries.
Like Niko said, I'm discussing the participation of countries that received emergency loans from the eurozone countries and the International Monetary Fund.
I was talking about Greece, but Niko is right: also Portugal and Ireland belong to that list.

I understand your point of view. You don't want that millions of fans become the victim of a small group of politicians. It's very sweet of you to think this way, but isn't it better for these countries to do anything they can to get in a better situation?

I totally agree with Niko. I wouldn't mind to leave ESC for one or two years if it will help the situation to become better.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2011, 11:15:30 PM »
First of all, Relyana, I'm not talking about Romania or Moldova or other countries.
Like Niko said, I'm discussing the participation of countries that received emergency loans from the eurozone countries and the International Monetary Fund.

So the international rescue loan of tens of billions of euros received by Romania in the last 2 years doesn't count in that equation?

Take a closer read:
EU experts approve release of last slice of Romania rescue loan

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Re: Greece
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2011, 11:49:59 PM »
So the international rescue loan of tens of billions of euros received by Romania in the last 2 years doesn't count in that equation?

Take a closer read:
EU experts approve release of last slice of Romania rescue loan

Thank you for the link. I didn't knew much about the financial situation in Romania.

As far as I can read the the financial world crisis is mainly the cause of the financial situation in Romania.
And I think that the € 20 billion that has been granted to Romania can't be compared to the € 110 billion given to Greece.

The argument for me to discuss the participation of Greece was not their financial crisis (every country have to deal with financial problems these days).
The main problem for me were the corruption scandals of Greek politicians.

But I must say that I also feel for your argument that you're against punishing millions of Eurovision fans.

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Re: Greece
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2011, 08:18:32 PM »
even though i think both sides make very valid arguments, im more on rely's sad (the crisis is huge everywhere, even the big euro countries are far from being protected), and this is a very political show, let's not make it a politicians' show

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