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alba 2014
« on: January 29, 2012, 12:06:44 AM »
Ok the referndum for Scottish indepenence was released and date set for autumn 2014 so let's be positive and we get our independence what would it mean for uk entry? Would Scotland get free entry like the remainder of the uuk? Would the uk get the free ride to finals still?

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2012, 08:13:26 PM »
i dunno but if Scotland becomes independant, it should be in esc and the England-Wales-NI can still be a Big5

anyway none of my english or welsh friends think you'll leave the kingdom

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2012, 10:10:14 PM »
Oddly my English and welsh friends think different but this thread is being positive thinking after all being a nation controlled by another country is thE rare thing these days.

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2012, 04:40:47 PM »
the thing is, is Scotland a nation really, in a geographical and geopolitical sense of the term? Maybe it is! Just like Flemmish think of themselves as not Belgians... I wonder though how far it really can go though, beside what it already is.

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2012, 04:49:36 PM »
Long live free Åland! Vivent  les îles d'Åland libres! :cheer:

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2012, 05:00:19 PM »
the thing is, is Scotland a nation really, in a geographical and geopolitical sense of the term? Maybe it is! Just like Flemmings think of themselves as not Belgians... I wonder though how far it really can go though, beside what it already is.

I don't agree with you, Martial. As a Fleming, I consider myself first of all Belgian and only in the 2nd place Fleming. It's not because you live in Flanders that you are not Belgian.

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2012, 05:04:02 PM »
Exactly my point: i was trying to show how ridiculous it can be for some people to assume that just because people feel a certain attachment to a region, a place like Scotland, Flandres or Corsica; it does not mean that their NATION isnt something else like the Uk, Belgium or France.

ps: sorry for the mistake, I think lemmings are cute animals and I guess that's why I got it wrong with "Flemish"

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2012, 05:15:24 PM »
Exactly my point: i was trying to show how ridiculous it can be for some people to assume that just because people feel a certain attachment to a region, a place like Scotland, Flandres or Corsica; it does not mean that their NATION isnt something else like the Uk, Belgium or France.

ps: sorry for the mistake, I think lemmings are cute animals and I guess that's why I got it wrong with "Flemish"

So, we agree  :goodjob: Flemish are indeed cute animals. Have you ever seen a picture of mine?  :biggrin:  :biggrin:

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2012, 05:19:45 PM »

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 02:48:31 AM »
So martial, you are saying that a country that has its own Government, its own laws, its own money, its own language, its own flag, its own economy and a country that is recognised througout the world as a country should not be independant, but should continue under the rule of an country that they dont want to be part of.  One thing is that even many English recognise Scotland as its own country attached to England.  Darn even the English government recognise that.  Yet you dont ... says alot.

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2012, 02:40:02 PM »
recognized? oh it's Scotland in the UN I must have gotten it wrong...

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2012, 03:15:36 PM »
there are other countries who are not in the UN but are countries ... did you forget that?

Kosovo, Tawain even the Vatican City are all non UN countries ...

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2012, 02:43:03 AM »
Ever since the Acts of Union of 1707 Scotland has worked hard to keep it's own identity.  The school system is different, the legal system is different (there's a 3rd verdict in Scotland so not just Guilty or Not Guilty but also Not Proven).

Even though I am a Scot I'm not 100% convinced that complete independence would be in the best interests of the country.  There are as many reasons for staying a part of the United Kingdom as there are for breaking away from it.  It will be interesting to see how the referendum turns out.

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2013, 04:30:03 PM »
there are other countries who are not in the UN but are countries ... did you forget that?

Kosovo, Tawain even the Vatican City are all non UN countries ...

Kosovo is not a country .  :-[

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2013, 07:48:31 PM »
Kosovo is not a country .  :-[

Kosovo is a country, recognized by 103 UN member countries, and more are still to come. some very few countries in the world still having limited recognition, with Israel tops the list of UN members, with 32 countries does not recognize it. however unlike Israel, Kosovo's biggest problem at the moment is Russia veto power, and i believe this will also be settled in the future.

Well, if things which looked like fiction at the past, as Gibraltar will play European championship qualifiers at the next campaign, and despite it's different organization (UEFA...but still, similar basic rules about countries), it doesn't suppose to be so hard for Kosovo to join the Eurovision Song Contest.

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Re: alba 2014
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2013, 01:13:55 AM »
It mostly depends on what happens to the BBC. They are members of the EBU and eligible to participate so it's a matter of how it is affected by the UK breaking up. Alex Salmond seems to want independence but retain all the British institutions so it's quite possible that the BBC would remain the national broadcaster for all four home nations. Imagine one broadcaster sending four songs!

The other scenario is that BBC Scotland becomes a separate broadcaster in which case they would need to apply to the EBU for membership. Until then, there would be no Scottish entry.

However, the other big issue is the future make-up of the country. The union would cease to exist and so England, Wales and Northern Ireland would either have to come to a new arrangement or become independent themselves. A new arrangement would allow for the reorganised BBC to enter. The mood in England would be for independence and would need a new national broadcaster (even if it is in the form of a newly created BBC England) and this company would need to apply for EBU membership


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