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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2012, 10:33:30 AM »
I just watched watch the show, yesterday I had to work  :(

What a strange hosts. They make me think of robots, no natural movements or charisma. And they learned every little sentence by heart  :sick:

But anyway, it's all about the music, isn't it  :D
My top 3:
1. Finland  :goodjob:
2. Iceland
3. Switzerland

I have a feeling that Russia will do very very well in the big final, and can be a serious threat for the other leading countries at the bookmakers. But we will see...



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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2012, 03:23:41 PM »
Greece and cyprus in while Israel and switzerland out?  :doh:

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2012, 04:02:00 PM »
Well, even if Finland is out of the final, I am not disappointed. The thing which I don't like is, that European voters want to see in final some brainless binbo porn songs in ESC, in stead of quality songs. Anyway, Europe has voted so I can't anything else but accept the results.

This was my full ranking which I did during the 1st semifinal yesterday evening:

1: Russia  :-[
2: Albania
3: Iceland
4; Finland
5: Hungary
6: Moldova
7: Israel
8: Latvia
9: Switzerland
10: Ireland  :-[
11: Belgium
12: San Marino
13: Denmark
14: Montenegro
15: Romania
16: Cyprus
17: Austria
18: Greece

In the 2nd semifinal I will be cheering for Macedconia, Serbia, Estonia and Turkey!  :goodjob:

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2012, 04:16:10 PM »
Oh yes, one more thing. I am not a violent person, but yesterday evening I really wanted to hit Eldar's face because of the smug, hypocritical, ingratiating smile which he had the whole evening on his face. :mad:

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2012, 04:22:22 PM »
The presenters were, like every year, very annoying.

The Russian entry by the way was very charming, but it had nothing to do with good music. Just a very cute joke entry in my opinion. I'm happy for the ladies that they reached the final, Niko, but the danger is that other countries will think that this is a good idea and that we get several joke entries next year, like in 2008.

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2012, 04:33:00 PM »
I tend to disagree here with you Remy. Grannies will do well. because it is the first time we see such a group singing in ESC. If there will be another similar, it would just be a copy, and wouldn't do well. I want to compare it with Lordi. If another country sends their own "Lordi" it wouldn't do well, because it is just a copy of the original one.

And may I say here to all of you: Russia is not a joke entry, I have never understood why would it be a joke entry.  :-\ If people think that old people singing was a joke, then singing overall should be denied to people over 20 years. I certainly love more watching and listening the grannies, than those prostit... sorry, singers, who are singing halfnaked and thus not only desecrating themselves, but also their parents, relatives and their whole nation.  :irked:

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2012, 04:44:00 PM »
Don't understand me wrong. I don't think it's a joke entry because the ladies are very old. That's the charming part, it reminds people of their own grandma. There shouldn't be an age limit on singing or on participating in the Eurovision Song Contest. But the whole performance, the act with baking cookies, was obviously not very serious. And vocally it wasn't very good. I don't think many other countries are considering now to send old ladies to the contest next year, but some countries might think that a joke entry in general could be very successful (like Ireland, Latvia & Spain in 2008 and Serbia & Czech Republic in 2009).

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2012, 04:55:16 PM »
You forgot the biggest joke entry, Austria 2003.  :P

No, I don't think that any country wants to send a joke entry with purpose, because everyone knows that they are basically doing very badly, But all of we know, that a typical teenage televoter is hardly ever thinking about songs, they are voting for everything else: dresses, their personal fans, performances etc etc. Song itself is nowadays only a compulsory "adopted child".  :(

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2012, 04:56:51 PM »
I agree with you that certain songs from certain countries always qualify, which can be very annoying for some Eurovision fans. It's true that shaky, pop song from half dressed, young women always do well in the contest, but that's the reality for almost more than a decade. Pity that good ballads and less sexy performances are the victims of this. I wish that Belgium & Finland would have qualified yesterday evening.

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2012, 06:56:00 PM »
You forgot the biggest joke entry, Austria 2003.  :P

No, I don't think that any country wants to send a joke entry with purpose, because everyone knows that they are basically doing very badly, But all of we know, that a typical teenage televoter is hardly ever thinking about songs, they are voting for everything else: dresses, their personal fans, performances etc etc. Song itself is nowadays only a compulsory "adopted child".  :(

Haha, Austria 2003. Can't forget that one. ;)

What you say about the song as a compulsory adopted child is very true and started, of course, with the introduction of televoting. That's why I always have been against televoting. Only 100% juries can bring more fair results (and not even 100% fair, considering the fact that even in the jury era for example Greece and Cyprus always exchanged 12 points).

I want to add by the way that, although it seems a joke entry to me, I really enjoyed Russia's entry last night. The only difference is that it's not a winner for me, I see it more like a funny and joyful addition to the final.

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2012, 07:15:42 PM »
I think the most important reasons for me in loving Russia's entry are:

1) I am 100 % tired in the so called "normal" ESC songs
2) I can't stand those female singers who are showing their legs to everyone
3) I always try to inspire amateur singers to sing in front of public
4) I am just a normal person who is not trying to hide his love for this lovely song.
5) I want some change to this always so predictable Eurovision Song Contest.

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2012, 07:47:58 PM »
I think the most important reasons for me in loving Russia's entry are:

1) I am 100 % tired in the so called "normal" ESC songs
2) I can't stand those female singers who are showing their legs to everyone
3) I always try to inspire amateur singers to sing in front of public
4) I am just a normal person who is not trying to hide his love for this lovely song.
5) I want some change to this always so predictable Eurovision Song Contest.

1) Me too.
2) I totally agree that the focus should be more on the song and less on the legs.
3) That's a very good thing! Don't stop doing that.
4) I respect you for that and I like your taste.
5) Me too... STOP TELEVOTING!  :irked:

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2012, 09:12:51 PM »
Oh yes, one more thing. I am not a violent person, but yesterday evening I really wanted to hit Eldar's face because of the smug, hypocritical, ingratiating smile which he had the whole evening on his face. :mad:

 :goodjob: Go for it, Niko!!  :biggrin:

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2012, 09:24:16 PM »
I think the most important reasons for me in loving Russia's entry are:

1) I am 100 % tired in the so called "normal" ESC songs
2) I can't stand those female singers who are showing their legs to everyone
3) I always try to inspire amateur singers to sing in front of public
4) I am just a normal person who is not trying to hide his love for this lovely song.
5) I want some change to this always so predictable Eurovision Song Contest.

I understand your reasons, Niko, and I do agree. I think the grannies will do well because they are original. They will be a serious threat for Sweden!



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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2012, 01:00:46 AM »
My quick review of Semi 1

1. Montenegro - this is not a song.  It barely has a tune and it's just some dirty looking bloke talking random nonsense

2. Iceland - really love the song and Grete was excellent.  Jonsi however wasn't...but on the plus side he wasn't as bad as he was in 2004.

3. Greece - absolutely woeful.   The song is so formulaic that I feel we've heard it at least 49 times before.  The vocal was terrible and the choreography was sloppy at best.  It tried so hard to be Helena Paparizou Part 2 - but with a weaker vocalist, a weaker song, weaker choreography and a weaker performance

4. Latvia - guilty pleasure time.  She performed it quite well and the song makes me smile but it was never going to qualify

5. Albania - WOW!!!!!!!  That vocal performance was simply ASTOUNDING.   A million miles better than any other performance in the semi.

6. Romania - happy cheerful song but there seemed to be some tuning issues somewhere along the line.  Get those right on Saturday and I think we have a challenger here

7. Switzerland - not bad...but his pronunciation was very odd indeed especially on the word "wildest".  No surprise it didn't qualify

8. Belgium - nice pleasant song....but ultimately forgettable.  Decent enough performance but just didn't stand out at all

9. Finland - lovely performance from Pernilla but again the song wasn't going to stand out

10. Israel - the girl on the keyboards was either stoned or drunk or both but she was highly entertaining nonetheless....she was more entertaining than the song which was very messy indeed

11. San Marino - ridiculously catchy....and just plain ridiculous.  Never stood a chance of qualifying but enjoyable in a harmless sort of way.

12. Cyprus - didn't we already hear this one from Greece?  Vocally average and a song that lacked any originality whatsoever.

13. Denmark - just don't get the fuss around this one at all.  Our commentator said it's a lovely song and she has a great voice....he must've been listening to something else.  Utterly ordinary vocal of an utterly ordinary song

14. Russia - that little granny is just soooooooooooooooooooooooooo cute.  The beginning was so far off key it's a miracle that they managed to get back on track.  I tried so hard to hate it....but it's just impossible to hate it.  Winner of the semi - possibly....winner on Saturday - possibly!

15. Hungary - vocally he was hugely improved from the NF - which is exactly what I hoped would happen.  Good song and as it was well delivered it's no surprise it qualified

16. Austria - other than the knickers with lights on there wasn't much in this that I enjoyed.  The song is rubbish

17. Moldova - catchy little song....despite some ridiculous lyrics.  Pasha performed it very well and the dancers were very good too

18. Ireland - OK time to be objective.   The performance was better than either of their performances last year....the gimmick at the end worked well....BUT the song is lame and the vocals were average at best


My Ranking of Semi 1 - based solely on performances.  Final ranking after Saturday will combine performance and studio version

1. Albania
2. Iceland
3. Finland
4. Moldova
5. Romania
6. Latvia
7. Hungary
8. Russia
9. Belgium
10. Switzerland
11. San Marino
12. Ireland
13. Denmark
14. Israel
15. Cyprus
16. Greece
17. Austria
18. Montenegro

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2012, 03:32:48 AM »
Greece and cyprus in while Israel and switzerland out?  :doh:

Even though Greece was never eliminated in any semi-final, i believe this has to do with the juries work. it is well known the usual pop tunes got renewed hope with the return of juries, and Sweden 2008 is the best example.

Oh yes, one more thing. I am not a violent person, but yesterday evening I really wanted to hit Eldar's face because of the smug, hypocritical, ingratiating smile which he had the whole evening on his face. :mad:

Totally agree! i'd throw both Chiara and Hera Björk at him :rofl:

The presenters were, like every year, very annoying.

The Russian entry by the way was very charming, but it had nothing to do with good music. Just a very cute joke entry in my opinion. I'm happy for the ladies that they reached the final, Niko, but the danger is that other countries will think that this is a good idea and that we get several joke entries next year, like in 2008.

Totally agree!  :goodjob:

And may I say here to all of you: Russia is not a joke entry, I have never understood why would it be a joke entry.  :-\ If people think that old people singing was a joke, then singing overall should be denied to people over 20 years. I certainly love more watching and listening the grannies, than those prostit... sorry, singers, who are singing halfnaked and thus not only desecrating themselves, but also their parents, relatives and their whole nation.  :irked:

Old people singing has nothing to do with joke entries. i personally love to see old people at Eurovision stage, and Engelbert Humpredinck, who has very good song and very decent candidate for the victory imo, is very good example.
i totally divide here my general opinion about the Russian entry, and the discussion about joke entries. i think we all agree that the grannies are very cute (who doesn't think so? :)) , but i still see it as a joke entry, especially for the reason that the gimmick is so strong, that it fools us all to believe it is very normal song, and i totally agree with Remy's words about the baking being obviously not very serious. with all those factors, i really got the feeling that the joke is on us, and as i see it, as the general message is completely fooling, i even see it as bigger joke than Alf Poier, ChikiChiki and Rambo Amadeus, as in their cases, the joke was deliberate, which they didn't hide at all.
and just for the record, i have nothing against joke entries, as many of them i really enjoyed :) for me what matters as always, is the song itself!

I think the most important reasons for me in loving Russia's entry are:

1) I am 100 % tired in the so called "normal" ESC songs
2) I can't stand those female singers who are showing their legs to everyone
3) I always try to inspire amateur singers to sing in front of public
4) I am just a normal person who is not trying to hide his love for this lovely song.
5) I want some change to this always so predictable Eurovision Song Contest.

Agree with all  :goodjob: about no. 1 i will also add: Death to all the pop craps in Eurovision! they are the main reason for people being prejudiced about ESC and bashing it! and are the biggest joke over Eurovision's image hell more than joke entries. the sad thing is that many ESC fans are crazy about them, and really pity they still exist, 6 years after Lordi's victory, which was some hope of things might change. but still after all i really see light at the end of the tunnel now in 2012, as this year we do have many genres, which was personal wet dream of mine around 10 years ago :)

10. Israel - the girl on the keyboards was either stoned or drunk or both but she was highly entertaining nonetheless....she was more entertaining than the song which was very messy indeed

LOL someone in Baku now told me the same thing, saying with that, Israel is definitely eliminated. but after all, we in Israel, or to be more corrected, in "Land Tel-Aviv", really enjoy being stoned and drunk :rofl:

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2012, 12:47:17 PM »
I don't want to be insulting or rude, but if Russia wins Eurovision, I WILL give up Eurovision for good. It's now my dead last.

Semi 1? Everything was from average to disgustingly gross, including some amazing songs like Israel, Finland and Iceland which are amazing but were all huge disappointments live. Oh, except for one masterpiece.

That's right. Albania. No doubt, it's one of the best ever in esc history. It outshined and outruled everything. It's insane that no more people fall on their feet to it and kiss our luck for still having artists taking the risk to sing a song in eurovision. That's right Jedward, Med whores or Grannies, I said "sing", deal with it.

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2012, 04:49:28 PM »
it was really weak semifinal. And my favourites were Greece and Iceland. It was glad to see, or correctly hear that Greek singer improved her voice just with about 2 days.
 hosts were totally awful and I wasn't that pleased with camera work too. For some reaons in last year I've had nothing againts to camera men work. But this year this looks so bad.
I might be the only one who thinks that.
In one way, it's the song that competing...but in another way we need that good presentation :D

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2012, 08:41:01 PM »
I don't want to be insulting or rude, but if Russia wins Eurovision, I WILL give up Eurovision for good. It's now my dead last.

Finally someone agrees with me! Russia winning would be one of the worst things ever happen in ESC.

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2012, 09:47:05 PM »
I don't want to be insulting or rude, but if Russia wins Eurovision, I WILL give up Eurovision for good. It's now my dead last.

I wouldn't quite go as far as giving up Eurovision but it would be disastrous for the reputation of the contests.

The main reason I won't give up is that I got a message from my dad the other day.  As I have a special birthday coming in 2014 (my 40th :o) my parents will pay for flights, hotels and tickets to see ESC 2014 live!!!!!  Knowing my luck UK will win next year and host at MEN arena in Manchester 30 miles up the road :doh: :D

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Re: ESC 2012 - Semi-final 1
« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2012, 10:06:59 PM »
My quick review of Semi 1

6. Romania - happy cheerful song but there seemed to be some tuning issues somewhere along the line.  Get those right on Saturday and I think we have a challenger here

The organizers apologized officially for the major sound problem Romania had to deal with during the semi-final performance. At some moment during her performance Elena started to desperately point to her helmet and right after leaving the stage she kept repeating "I couldn't hear a thing! I couldn't hear a thing" speaking about her helmet.

Congratulations Azerbaidjan and EBU for being fair and honest. Shame on you Romanian journalists who didn't hesitate attacking Mandinga the way you did after the semi-final. Learn to support your country once and for all.

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